25 January 2018

Nihonkoku Shoukan. Volume 1. Chapter 1 Part 6

Translator Corner
Minasan Oidemasu! This is Yukkuri demasu!

FIRST BLOOD!

As always,
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Author:
みのろう (Minorou)
Translator:
Yukkuri Oniisan!
Editor:
So-Chintzy!


Chapter 1
Upheaval
Part 6

Destroyer Izumo  – Captain’s Room.

Captain Yamamoto was conversing with his XO.[1]

Although this is the first overseas deployment of troops after our transfer to another world, it might be a conflict as expected.
It couldn’t be helped. We can’t let the people starve, so the government made this bitter decision. Furthermore, when I heard about the massacre in Gim city, I personally don’t want to be chummy with the Louria Kingdom.
The opponents don’t know our power. If it is only a warning shot…… then they won’t turn back.
I think so too.

Both Yamamoto and the XO didn’t want to spill needless blood. There should also be some of the Louria Kingdom’s soldiers who didn’t want to kill people, too, just like their own sentiments.

But don’t you find it strange?
About what……?
The equipment of the Louria Kingdom and Qua-Toyne are medieval-era. Well, they have dragons and wyverns and communication devices called manacoms, so they are more advanced than Earth’s medieval era.

The Captains remembered the documents that the diplomats and the recon units brought back from the Louria Kingdom. When they compared the appearances depicted in the clear photographs and the remaining drawings of their own documents from Earth, they couldn’t get rid a sense of discomfort no matter what.

The ships of the Lourian Army are wooden ships like in the Kamakura period, it’s not a ship-of-the-line.[2] In addition, the information said that the total forces of this fleet is 140,000 men with the 4,400 ships, which is actually exactlu like that decisive battle that Japan had once experienced.

The XO made a surprised expression.

It’s the Second Mongol Invasion, the Kouan Campaign, right?

The Kouan Campaign. On 16 June 1281 AD, in order to conquer Japan, a large fleet was sent to Japan by the order of Kublai Khan of the Mongol empire.
The Kamakura Shogunate at that time, under the Houjou Tokimune, ordered Houjou Sanemasa as the Grand Commander to Conquer the Foreigners[3] . He then the lead the defense against the Mongols.
The Mongol Empire army gathered 140,000 soldiers in total and the number of warships used in their operations crossed 4,400, which made it the largest naval invasion fleet in history prior to World War 2. The Mongol fleet then attacked the northern part of Kyushu, which became the main battlefield.
After the Mongol army landed at Iki and Tsushima, they annihilated the garrison in a blink of an eye, and then landed on Shikanoshima and occupied it. Numerous land and naval battles took place around both islands, which served as a berthing point for the Mongol warships. Many people met their ends at these places.
Japan, with the lessons learned from the previous invasion (the Bun’ei Campaign), had been anticipating for the second invasion, so they erected defensive walls, where they could rain arrows down when the enemy landed. They succeed in keeping the majority of enemy troops in the ocean for about two months.
Finally, a typhoon occurred, which caused decisive amounts of damage to the Mongol army.
It was said that 84,000 men from the 141,290 numbered invasion force didn’t return home alive.

If we considered that the number of JSDF personnel right now is about 250 thousand, and that the population of Japan in the Kamakura era was only about 5 million, then an invasion force of 140 thousand men is a frightening one. But our ancestors endured an invasion of that size. Even though the quality of equipment, tactics, and the number of soldiers of the opponents was greater than themselves, with the power of the nature on their side, they won. Honestly, I feel, uneasy about the huge size of the opponent’s army, but when I closely think about it, it’s not worth considering compared to our own ancestors' hardships.

The conversation between Yamamoto and the XO continued until close to lights-out time.

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The next day  – Early morning.

The destroyer fleet departed as scheduled.
The fleet gradually increased their speed and drew white wake trails on the ocean.

What a speed!!

Bruay continued to be astonished like he was yesterday.

This speed has far surpassed that of our army’s fastest sailing ship! However…… the distance to the other ships is too far. Won’t they need to be closer to create a formation?

The fleet headed west at a speed of 20 knots. About 10 hours after departure, on the other side of the flat horizontal horizon line, the Lourian Navy could be sighted.
The naval battle, which stirred the otherworld’s history, the so called Grand Battle of the Rodenius Sea in the future, was about to begin.

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Lourian Kingdom Eastern Subjugation Navy – Vice-Admiral Sharkun’s POV

What a sight, so beautiful.



The beautiful sail ships traveled through the great ocean with the wind full in their sails. Their number was 4,400. A large amount of sailors and landing troops were on board as they headed to Port Maihark.
As far as the eyes could see, there were only ships.
The ocean couldn’t be seen. This expression wasn’t just mere words.
After a preparatory phase of over six years, with the military assistance from the Papardia Empire, this large fleet was finally completed. There was no means to defend against this large fleet on the Rodenius Continent.
Perchance, they could even conquer the Papardia Empire. Or so he thought.

(No. After all, Papardia Empire seems to have a weapon that can destroy an entire ship, called agunship……)

With his reason, he calmed down the flames of ambition which showed up for a moment. It was still dangerous to challenge the Great Country of the Third Civilized Land. He looked at the eastern sea, which he ought to conquer from now on.

(…… Hmm? There is something flying towards our direction)

An inorganic object shaped like an insect, came flying with a rattling noise towards Lourian Navy. At that bizarrely shaped flying form of the object that he never seen before, slight fear sprouted up inside Sharkun’s heart

 (Is that a wyvern? …… No, it’s not. What is that thing!?)

The weird object, that had a red circle painted on its white body, hovered around in the sky where no arrow could reach and then it spoke up to the fleet with a loud voice that couldn’t be considered could be made by a human.

This is the Japan Maritime Self Defense Force. Warning to the Louria Kingdom. The location ahead are the Qua-Toynese territorial waters. Please turn your ships around immediately and return to your country waters. I repeat ──』

Apparently there seemed to be people inside that flying object. Sharkun had heard a story about how the Prime Minister had turned the diplomats of a country called Japan away and refused to deal with them. However, just by looking at that flying object, he was doubtful if Japan is really a barbarian country like the politicians had said.
There were people who drew their bows towards the object, but the arrows couldn’t reach at all and pitifully fell to the sea. That strange object repeated the same message and after some time had passed, turned around in the sky and left towards the eastern sky.
After a while, he could see one small island on the sea ahead.

(Is there an island in this place……? Can’t be, the island is moving……! No way, it’s a ship?)

The ship, which he mistook fir a small island, cut the path of the fleet's front row’s sailship at a tremendous speed and began to travel parallel with the ship. Their distance was about 300 m.

What, is that thing……? Such a huge ship.

Vice-Admiral Sharkun was a bit uneasy, but there was only one opponent. He had 4,400 ships at his side, so it was absolutely impossible to lose.
However, the sailors had the same uneasiness towards the strange ship like Sharkun.

Change your course and turn back immediately! Otherwise, we will open fire on your ships! Change your course and turn back immediately! Otherwise, we will open fire on your ships!

Just like the previous flying object, with a loud sound, the ship issued a warning.
Sharkun thought about what they meant by open fire and judged that perhaps it was a means of attack, before he ordered the starboard fleet to attack. The sail ships began to turn starboard and closed the distance with the destroyer.

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How big……

Since the flying object that appeared mentioned Japan, this ship might belong to that country as well. The captain of the warship who was ordered to inflict the first attack at the foreign ship had a slight anxiety in the depths of his heart.
At any rate, this was a huge fleet of over 4 thousand ships. To be given the honor as the foremost spear, there was no way he going to miss it.

Prepare the fire arrow! Don’t use the ballista yet! When the distance to the enemy ship is 200 meters, release them!!

Under the instructions of the warship captain, the crews dipped the arrow tips into the oil pot placed at the deck and ignited them with the torch. While the archers felt the heat from the flames, they drew their bows towards the enemy.
They closed the distance to the enemy ship until it reached 200 meters.

Release!

The fire arrows were launched at the same time from the warship and drew a parabolic arc in the air as they flew towards the enemy ship. The fire arrows that were released continuously in large quantities, pierced the outer hull of the enemy ship and burned the ship or was what should have happened.

The majority of the fire arrows, that were released from the warship, struck the Aegis Destroyer Myoukou[4], giving off an intermittent sound of Clang-clang-clang and chipped the paint of the outer hull.
The attack didn’t affect Myoukou’s operation capabilities at all, but it rapidly distanced itself from the fire arrow’s effective range.
It instantly separated itself from the fleet before turned around and stopped at a distance of about 3 km.

Hahahahahahaaaaaa!! They ran away !!

On the deck, the sailors mocked the destroyer and let loose their jeers. Of course, their jeers wouldn’t reach the enemy.
However, the captain couldn’t hide his surprise at the fact that the enemy was totally unscathed and at how fast the enemy ship’s speed was.

The fire arrow didn’t stick at all. The hull seems to be made of metal……

How will he defeat the enemy, the ship’s captain racked his brain.

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Sharkun, who was closely watching the first attack, felt an uneasiness pass by his mind.

So they ran away. Well, no matter how big their ship is, they couldn’t do anything with a single ship. However…… The attack just now was not effective? Also, it’s fast even though it’s big. To display such speed even without any means to receive the wind, just what……

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The Maritime Self Defense Force destroyer fleet had received a clearly armed attack from the armed insurgent, so they decided to counterattack.

We received an attack. Hence, we will attack the hostile armed insurgent, the target will be the surface ship at the foremost portside……

The 127mm Compact Gun[5] installed on the foredeck of Myoukou rotated and pointed its muzzle at the enemy ship.
Their aim was settled.

…… Main gun(Shuhou) –– commence fire(uchikata hajime)![6]

The JMSDF destroyer Myoukou began to fire the armed insurgent –– the Louria Kingdom Navy.

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The good-sighted Sharkun noticed a slight change in the enemy ship 3 km ahead.
The iron pole attached on the front of the large ship looked like it was turning towards the Louria Kingdom Navy.

What’s with that pole?

The next moment, smoke came out from that pole.

(Smoke? So it started to burn by itself?)

Immediately after Shakun wondered about that, the sail ship that was sailing in the foremost position suddenly exploded. Parts of the exploded wood, ship parts and what looked like human remains scattered and rained down onto the deck of the surrounding allied ships. Then, after a delay of several seconds, they could hear a sound like something was exploding from the direction of the enemy ship.

!? Wh-what is happening!? Impossible? An attack by the enemy!? Ho-…… Just how did they attack from that distance?

At this power that they never experienced before, every single crew member on the fleet viewed this scene with eyes wide open from shock.

This is bad…… But, it is fortunate that the Wyversn could reach this place. Communication officer! Request the headquarters for an air support! Say that We are engaging the enemy’s main fleet!』」

Although the blown apart ship still had its keel intact, before long water rushed in through the holes and it quickly slanted and sunk together with its still surviving crew.

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The ship that directly received the shells from that close range shot was the ship that had attacked Myoukou with fire arrows before and now that ship was sunk with just one attack.

I hope they will be surprised by this and back off……

Captain Unabara of Myoukou also wanted to avoid unnecessary bloodshed just like Yamamoto. Therefore, he thought that by displaying a part of their fighting power, the enemy could understand that they couldn’t win and withdraw.
He might be called a peace idiot, but he sincerely wished that the enemy will withdraw with just this one shot.
Seeing that the enemy’s formation was really disarrayed and the already slow enemy ship’s speed was slowed down even further, he slightly expected that his wish will come true.

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Fuh... A magic weapon of such power, but it seems that it’s not able to fire repeatedly……

When Myoukou didn’t shoot for the second time, Sharkun made such a judgment.

Lower the fleet’s speed. Together with wyvern's aviation support, we will push an attack straightaway.

Sharkun’s fighting spirit was rekindled.

☾☽☾☽☾☽☾☽☾☽☾☽☾☽☾☽☾☽☾☽


BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
LET’S DYE THE SEA, CRIMSON, AND THE SKY, SCARLET!

Next chapter: The glorious Mk-41 VLS.



[1] XO = Executive Officer, Second-in-command, First Mate, Vice-Captain
[2] Chinese Junk/Chuan ship-style, not the Sail-Age European-style one. Song Dynasty and its successor Mongol Yuan Dynasty’s War Junks are usually 20-30 meters long, even 60 meters long, quite enormous compared to European ships of the same era.
[3] 異国征伐大将軍. Quite a lofty title. The Conquer part came from Houjou Tokimune’s plan to invade China proper.
[4] Myoukou, a Kongou-class Guided Missile Destroyer, hull designation DDG-175.
Displacement:          7500 tons standard
                                    9500 tons full load
Length:                      528.2 ft (161.0 m)
Beam:                         68.9 ft (21.0 m)
Draft:                          20.3 ft (6.2 m)
Propulsion:               4 Ishikawajima Harima/General Electric LM2500-30 gas turbines; two shafts, 100,000 shaft horsepower (75 MW)
Speed:                       30 knots (56 km/h)
Range:                       4,500 nautical miles at 20 knots (8,334 km at 37 km/h)
Complement:            300
Sensors and processing systems:            AN/SPY-1D, OPS-28 surface search radar, OQS-102 bow mounted sonar
Electronic warfare & decoys:                     NOLQ-2 intercept / jammer
Armament:    
1 × 5 inch (127 mm) / 54 caliber Oto-Breda Compact Gun
2 × missile canister up to 8 RGM-84 Harpoon SSM
2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS
2 × Type 68 triple torpedo tubes (6 × Mk-46 or Type 73 torpedoes)
90-cell Mk-41 VLS (29 at the bow / 61 cells at the stern aft) for a mix of SM-2MR Standard Missile SM-3 Anti-Ballistic Missile, and RUM-139 Vertical Launch ASROC (Anti-Submarine)
Aircraft carried:         1 × SH-60K helicopter
[5] Otobreda 127/54 Compact Naval Gun
Caliber                                   127 mm (5.0 in)
Muzzle Velocity                    2,650 fps (808 mps)
Elevation                               −15°/+83°
Traverse                                 360° speed: 40°/s
Rate of fire                            40 rounds/min
Feed system Magazine capacity: 66 ready rounds, 500 - 600 rounds magazine
Projectile Types and Weights
Mark 80 HE-PD (High Explosive, Point Detonating Fuze): 67.6 lbs. (30.7 kg)
Mark 91 Illum-MT (Illumination, Mechanical Time Fuze): 63.9 lbs. (29.0 kg)
Mark 116 HE-VT (High Explosive, Variable Time Fuze): 69.7 lbs. (31.6 kg)
Mark 127 HE-CVT (High Explosive, Controlled Variable Time Fuze): 68.6 lbs. (31.1 kg)
Mark 156 HE-IR (High Explosive, Infrared Fuze): 69.0 lbs. (31.3 kg)
Range @ 47 degrees                      25,290 yards (23,130 m)
Effective Range                               16,400 yards (15,000 m)
AA Range @ 83 degrees               23,000 feet (7,000 m)
Illumination                                       18,085 yards (16,540 m)
Vulcano-Guided Round                 70,000 - 100,000 m
[6] To ease your imagination, just think this in Haifuri style. too bad no "torikaji ippai" here.

65 comments:

  1. it just reached the good part noooooo!!!! thx for the chapter XD

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  2. We Super Atragon nao.

    Also thanks for all the updates.

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  3. "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"
    You Chaos worshiping heretic!!!

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  4. .   ∧_∧
    ━⊂(・ω・`)
     ======== \Thanks!!
    /※※※※ゞノ,_)Nepu!!!
    ⌒~⌒~⌒~⌒~⌒

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  5. Well .. The Japanese didnt hesitate to demolish Pearl Harbor, different times of course, the Japan then and the Japan now are completely different, but I wonder for how long?

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    1. IIRC a big reason for the attack on Pearl Harbor was the US putting an embargo on oil exports & Japan only had around an estimated 2 years of oil left so they had to speed up raiding SEA, but the US would have also interfered with that, too.

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    2. And that's the thing. The important story here is how the Japanese public respond. Keep in mind that Japan is not only constitutionally pacifist, but the public opinion also favors that stance. Moving Japan to another world should raise some very controversial issues, none of which are explored.

      I do think GATE covers that angle better, but I still think it's glossed over too much. At least in GATE, Japan is still on Earth, which means the culture shock is lessened and social and legal adjustment less urgent.

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    3. Less than 2 years. They had 4 months of oil left, Japan was very, very heavily industrialized and fuel consumption then was horrifying. They could not even stretch it with coal/fuel conversion since the blockade would choke off even coal supplies.

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  6. Thanks for the hard work, Yukkuri onisan!

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  7. Get ready for the phalanx ciws to shine

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    1. Except that the deck gun can engage aircraft, especially slow flyers like Wyverns. A lot of people aren't aware of this. CWIS is intended for use against supersonic missiles.

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    2. Yup but if the A-gun is popping flies, they are not popping ships. Might as well let the CIWS handle the flies and keep the main gun on ship killing duty, especially with the ammo constraints.

      But from the end note, I suspect they'll end up using the ESSM, which is way overkill.

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    3. I think you're right, if only because the author wants to show off.

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    4. Come to think of it, you more familiar with ESSMs or Asters?

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    5. The Aster is a Euro missile system. Japan usually uses US equipment, which means they load Sparrows.

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    6. ...I did ask -you- not Japan. lol.

      It's an indirect way of asking if you're American or from Europe.

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  8. Thanks 4 the translation!

    HE shells? Is a normal round capable of destroying a wooden ship in one shot?

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    1. HE pierce through and explode in interior, I think it sholud obtain about 5-7kg of explosives,so it should be enough to destroy that vessel

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    2. The ships there are pretty much unarmoured (made from wood after all) so a single high velocity round is enough to pierce the hull and explode within and the ships are relatively small too so there's also that

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  9. MOARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!PLLSSSSSSS!!!!!
    Thank you for the update

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  11. Lol, the artist didn't read the novel, it was specifically said that the fleet don't have ships of the line.

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    1. Speaking of which, what exactly constitutes a "Ship of the Line" when cannon, broadsides and line formations DO NOT EXIST.

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    2. Ship of the (ramming) row? lol.
      More likely bireme, trireme, unireme etc where they count the number of banks and hence number of people on board and naval tactics were to close in and board the enemy ship.

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  12. Also point 6 is somewhat reminiscent of some kancolle ship girl's attack lines heh

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  13. The author needs to cut the crap about the Mongolian invasion of Japan. A bunch of barbarians whose only military experience is skirmishing with the indigenous people and each other have no chance against a people with a military history of ruthlessly destroying the most powerful civilizations in history. If it wasn't for the Kamikaze and their own internal politics, the Mongols would have taken Japan with little effort.

    Historically speaking, Japan was at best a second-rate military. But so what? There's no need to lie about it.

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    1. And so Germany invasion of Soviet Union. If not for Russian winter and Hitler blunder decision, the world might been different today.

      This novel probably written by former JSDF member, and it's their right to write it as they see fit. Why do you think there's no Hollywood movies covering 1941-1943 war..? Because both Germany and Japan kick allies ass at that time and Hollywood doesn't want to admit/make that.

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    2. There is no comparison. The Mongols subjugated the greatest nations of its time. The Japanese at the peak of its power before WW2 (Toyotomi) couldn't even manage to conquer Korea. During WW2, the US crushed the Japanese Empire with 1/8 of its total war budget.

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  14. "it's their right to write it as they see fit." Sure, but that doesn't make them and their opinions any less wrong. Turning fantasy into an author tract is a BAD THING.

    "Why do you think there's no Hollywood movies covering 1941-1943 war..?"

    Hollywood does cover that period. But since Hollywood is in the US, it favours covering the parts involving the US. Noting unusual there. Also consider that the victors get to write the histories and that people favor winners over losers.

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    1. I'll use your words again

      "Also consider that the victors get to write the histories and that people favor winners over losers"

      There's nothing wrong fabricating the story for their benefits. In the end, Japan win the war against Mongol. That's the fact.

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    3. Let's try that again:

      There's plenty wrong with basing your reality around lies. It never goes well - reality tends to win out in the end.

      In fact, the Japanese Empire played up the whole Kamikaze bit during WW2 and all it did was pointlessly kill off their young men.

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    4. According to Hollywood, America won the Vietnam War. See Rambo. lol.

      Entertainment has never been too long on facts and reality, on either side of the Pacific. You just need to let it ride.

      And don't get me started on flying superheroes, if anyone did that in real life, it's ambulance time...

      Just treat it as fiction and brainless entertainment.

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    5. tbh, it's not that entertainment is supposed to reflect reality (lol), but I can't respect people who think that way or use entertainment to push a particular social, political or religious agenda. In short, an author tract. It reeks of intellectual dishonesty.

      You might think it's silly, but I clearly remember US politicians referencing the show "24" to justify their torture program. Which is still (technically) legal, btw.

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    6. ...You might want to avoid reading Tom Clancy then lol.

      That guy's 'Murica' has bashed up everyone from Russia to India to Japan in his stories. Never mind some of them are supposed to be US allies.

      I do agree there does seem to be a trend of shows to force propaganda down people's throats these days, most prominent in my mind is the new feminist Ghostbusters remake or the BSG remake, those tend to sit badly with me.

      Personally, I doubt the Mongol invasion is used as a symbol of Japanese militancy though, it's too far back, any more than the Battle of Agincourt can be used to exemplify the British as a global superpower these days. Japanese militancy apologists tend more towards the 'racial equality' that they 'gave' the colonies and the independence/decolonialization movement that resulted. Often to the well justified rage of those that received the results of Japanese...'goodwill'...

      My guess is the author just needed a historical precedent where Japan won against a superior fleet and this was the only thing that turned up, the other time, being the Allied Third and Fifth fleets, the Japanese came out 2nd best. The Mongol invasion really wasn't that spectacular from a military perspective, they came, they ran afoul of 2 typhoons, they went home. Most of the time, the Japanese had their asses handed to them. They could be said to simply have lucked out into victories. It sure wasn't their skill or technology that did it...

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  15. Shouldn't the shell over penetrate the enemy's ship? I mean it's wood, not metal plated hull, as Age of Sail ship usually were.

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    1. No. Modern shells use a variable timed fuse set by the fire control computer. In this manner they can be set to detonate inside the target regardless of type. One benefit to this is that the same shell can be used against flying targets. Neat, huh?

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    2. I'm not so sure if timed fuses for internal explosions were ever a thing, most of the VT/prox fuses I know were for external detonation with proximity. Internal would be a 'timed delay' fuse where a simple impact fuse has a delayed trigger. Think they called it a 'base detonating fuse'. The timed/prox fuses are more for air targets than penetrating surface targets.

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    3. A bit moot these days though, with the new T&P fuses, but personally, I would set them to delayed impact, much more reliable than guessing the time, even with a fixed range, the time differential can be rather drastic, which is the concept behind MRSI.

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    4. Prox fuses and base detonating fuses are largely a workaround to insufficient accuracy. But modern naval fire control systems are so precise that using the target as a reference (proximity, impact) is not necessary. Land artillery is a bit different, due to terrain variations.

      MRSI is a bit more sophisticated that mere time fusing, as it's designed around "time on target", getting multiple rounds to land at the same time by adjusting the fuse timing and shell trajectory.

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    5. Yes, my point was that a specific range can still have different time of flights, which is demonstrated by MRSI, not that MRSI is timer dependent. You can do MRSI with simple impact fuses after all.

      Overall, it's still easier to simply use delayed impact fuses than fiddle around with timers. More of a sure thing too since the detonation is triggered by the impact. Hell, with wooden hulls, you can use 'superquick' and it'll still work, they don't have much resistance at point blank ranges. Not to mention the joy of flying splinters into the ship.

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    6. Yes, the same thing can be done by adjusting propellant, culminating in projects to develop computer controlled propellant injectors. It didn't pan out, but the concept was sound.

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  16. Ugh... good... ty 4 chap... btw...

    We will wait again... T_T

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  17. Thaaaaaaanks for the update! I do hope they already have the f-35 lightning II when they were transferred. I was just wondering. If the whole country of japan was transported. Will we be seeing in action the appearance of the 50,000 strong US marines and the 7th fleet stationed at Okinawa in the future? Those mk84 nuclear.

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  18. Hi yukkuri oniisan. Just how far are you on our new world? When do you think it would be uploaded?

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  19. I'm enormously curious as to how are they going to "eliminate" the 4400 enemy ships before running out of ammo, the Myoukou is a missile destroyer and has only 1 127mm main gun, beside that, it only has missile canisters and torpedo launchers wich ammo is too scarse and expensive to use against wood ships, the Izumo is a helicopter destroyer with no main guns, they have not metioned the other ships but they shouldnt be too different...
    I cannot help to think that WW2 era Battleships and cruisers would have been better in this scenario due to their cheaper-simpler ammo and ramming capabilities(which current era ships are not made for)... Just imagine a Yamato ramming its way to the middle of the enemy formation and then sink everything else with its abundant main and secondary guns

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    1. Well in a battle its rare for one force to be completely annihilated so once a certain percentage of the force has been destroyed and/or got overrun the force will probably break and rout or surrender... Unless of course they wanna fight to the death and keep throwing men at automatic fire weaponry like in world war I

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    2. Wars are decided by who can force the other side to a battle. Modern ships, with their speed, navigation, detection and weapon systems can do just this. It doesn't matter if the JSDF can't sink 4400 ships in one engagement when they can leave when they want, retreat and resupply in safety and ambush the enemy with impunity. It doesn't matter how many ships the enemy has when none of them are a credible threat and you have enough ammo.

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    3. I don't think even the Yamato can treat ramming as a viable tactic, even in WWII, ships move about so fast that trying to get in a ramming hit is near impossible, they tried that before WWII with very limited results, the 'best' was the Battle of Lissa. This is in addition to the fact that ramming damages your own ship as well, something people tend to forget. The most common 'ramming' in WWII is usually destroyer to U-boat and there have been many cases where the destroyer hit the U-boat and ended up crippled and needing repairs in return.

      Battleships ramming each other is nice cinema, it is never good practice. When 2 objects collide, both suffer.

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    4. There was a brief period where ramming was all the rage, after the US Civil War, iirc. That was due to the ironclads using rams and being invulnerable to guns of the time.

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    5. Yeah, I remember reading about that, it was a brief period when the defense/firepower equation when to the defense side for a while, and the overattribution of a single incident into a whole global military theory. The Cumberland IIRC got crippled by the Merrimack/Virginia(?)'s gunfire and the ram got used as a coup de grace for a quick kill and people saw this as a validation of ramming vs cannons.

      Unfortunately, real results against moving targets were poor to say the least, most people then did not notice the success of rams were against slow moving or immobile targets. Not to mention IIRC, the Virginia itself had the port? side of the ram bow shoved in from the impact, requiring repairs.

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    6. Also keep in mind that ramming as a tactic requires that a ship be able to reverse, which made it unfeasible during the Age of SAIL. Steam engines made it viable again, only to fall behind ordenance technology.

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    7. Good point, something I did not consider.

      I also noticed what might be a mistake on another casual readthrough.

      "Papardia Empire seems to have a weapon that can destroy an entire ship, called a『gunship』"

      I think he might mean -Gunboat- since a gunship is a helicopter.

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    8. No, it's a correct, but literal translation. Think of it like a kenning, "Gun-Ship", instead of "gunship". The word "Boat" is not accurate for what is decidedly a large ocean-going vessel.

      "Gunship" is a colloquial English term used for any aircraft specialized to carry guns. That includes fixed wing craft like the AC-130 Spectre and A-10 Thunderbolt II.

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    9. Ok, ok I give, I forgot about the spooky though I think the A-10 is classed more as ground attack fighter than gunship. More often you hear it used as 'helicopter gunship' which is why I forgot it can be used for airplanes too.

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  20. Just for general knowledge

    http://www.usswisconsin.org/wp/collision/

    This is what happened when the USS Wisconson, an Iowa class battleship, collided with the Eaton, a destroyer. You can see the damage to the battleship is not minor.

    Ramming. Good for movies bad for ships.

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    1. Well, yeah. When you have two massive ships slam into each other, something's gotta give, steel hulls or no. Ramming is death vs. wooden warships, but there is absolutely no reason to expose themselves to the risk of boarding, slim as it may be.

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  21. apakah masih update?

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